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1 sauceruney  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:22:26pm

Shelter requirements should be a requirement for future aid.

2 EiMitch  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:26:29pm
In 2011, a monster tornado razed large parts of Joplin, killing 160 people in a state that had no storm-shelter requirements. The city considered requiring shelters in rebuilt or new homes but decided that doing so would be “cost prohibitive” because the soil conditions make building basements expensive, said the assistant city manager, Sam Anselm. Even so, he estimated that half the homes that had been rebuilt included underground shelters. Schools were being rebuilt with safe rooms, he said.

Half of them did it anyway, but getting the other half up to par would be too expensive? What bulls***!

I hate these pseudo-bean-counting, contrary-for-contrary’s-sake, mouth-breathing, austerity-no-matter-what, f***ing morons!

3 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:11:08pm

re: #1 sauceruney

Shelter requirements should be a requirement for future aid.

Really? Why? The aid people receive after a tornado will help rebuild their house. Having a shelter doesn’t do anything to keep the house from blowing away. I live in OK and have a reinforced safe room in my (very rare) basement, but it cost more than most people can afford. Would you require people in hurricane zones to install metal roofs and heavy shutters, or build with stainless steel frames to qualify for aid?

4 jonhendry  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:35:40pm

“the soil conditions make building basements expensive”

Arrgh. So don’t build a “basement”! I think the problem here is that home builders don’t want to build a shelter that isn’t a general-purpose home feature.

Instead of building a basement, which is generally as big as the house’s whole footprint, dig a hole next to the building, drop a shipping container in there, anchor it well, provide some stairs and some strong doors, some basic wiring and ventilation and drainage so that the occupants don’t drown or suffocate.

Any soil-related issues would be limited to the container, not the house as a whole. A steel shipping container ought to be easier to protect from damp soil, and to shore up against expanding soil that can damage the walls of a basement (and thus the value of the home). Weld some additional I-beam bracing onto the container, and you’re likely done. If it’s even necessary. By its nature, a shipping container ought to be more rigid than a basement, and much easier to make stronger.

Even if moisture did intrude and the soil did expand and maybe warp the container a bit, that wouldn’t effect the house, and the shelter would still be usable as long as the entranceway is operable.

5 alinuxguru  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:42:36am

re: #3 funky chicken

Would you require people in hurricane zones to install metal roofs and heavy shutters, or build with stainless steel frames to qualify for aid?

Florida has some of the strictest wind abatement codes in the country. So, to answer your question, yes. Yes, people in hurricane zones must meet all sorts of requirements when constructing a new home.


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